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1 Debate Thread on Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:28 pm

Hollyღ

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This thread is for debating serious topics.

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2 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:31 am

Like, why does swiss cheese have holes in it?

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3 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:48 am

Because it's neutral and doesn't have a navy.

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4 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:00 am

Tuomey

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Yay my thread returns!

So...
Em...
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5 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:21 am

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Here's one I've dragged up. Feel free to discuss it.

Are games art?

Alternatively, are Michael Bay's films art? Are they even films at all, or just 2-hour long weapon commercials?

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6 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:42 am

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There is such a thing as bad art. []

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7 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:08 am

Hitler was a painter and it made him EVIL!


On a side note this is my favorite artist, I own three of his paintings.

http://www.mihaicriste.blogspot.com/

He reminds me of Salvador Dali.

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8 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:11 am

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@DB: Wow, very talented and yes, very reminiscent of Dalí. []

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9 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:28 am

How can suicide be illegal?

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10 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:31 am

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I didn't even know it was. Is it punishable by death? That would make it the most hilariously pointless law of all time.

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11 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:38 am

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"The perp was armed and ready to shoot the victim. Fortunately, our officers fired first, and the perp was unable to shoot the victim, himself."

I dunno... I could see how jumping off a building or something is disturbing the peace and causing property damage. I don't recommend suicide by any means, of course. []

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12 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:43 am

JT, you seem quite educated on the subject!

How about we grab a noose and jump of a building, not only dying, but repeatedly smacking against the side of a building above a 5 year olds birthday party?

I stole this idea from The Omen ;).

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13 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:54 am

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Depending on the speed of impact and the hardness of the victim's skull, i'm still not sure if there will be any noteworthy property damage. Maybe if he/she were to hit a window or car? There are too many variables!

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14 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:55 am

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"Are games art?"

What defines art?
It has a loose definition.
So I'm going to call it a piece of work intended to bring beauty or wonder into the world, or to incite emotional reaction in those who peruse it.
As such, I would say, yes, games are art.

Huge, insane, collaborative artwork.
They create entire worlds, universes, given over to our entertainment.
Egomaniacal? Indeed.
Art often is.

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15 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:59 am

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Also, suicide is illegal because it is mostly caused by mental illness.
Clinical depression is a mental illness, and a cause of suicide.

It is legal to stop people suffering from mental illness to harm themselves.
It would be cruel not to.

Also, emo faux-depressed kids with millimetre deep scars on their arms, a mockery of depression and the delicate thing that is the human psyche, all of them, in jail for this.
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16 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:03 am

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I can't imagine suicidal people being deterred by someone saying "Hey, don't jump off that building, you'll get in trouble!"

Once you've decided to take your own life, you're past the point where you care about getting fined. (also, wouldn't an arrest and possible convictions only add to the problems?)

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17 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:09 am

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True, except I imagine it'd be more along the lines of go see a shrink for a while than Do not pass go, Do not collect $200.

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18 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:14 am

To be sucessful at commiting suicide, first dress as a Mime.

No one would stop a mime from comitting suicide, hell you might get help.

"Don't jump off there! There are spikes and broken glass over here".

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19 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:42 am

ITT evil mimes!
i think we can all agree that mimes are more evil than clowns. they are also tougher to kill. all they have to do is pretend to have a fire hose while you are spraying them with a flamethrower and then they do not get killed by fire!

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20 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:42 am

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Not to mention those protective walls!

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21 Re: Debate Thread on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:41 pm

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Yes it's a real law, or use to be a real law - I remember hearing about it in school - but they usually go after the remaining families of the suicidal person. They use to take items or money from the families of the person who committed suicide.

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Dear Cecil:

I have heard for years that it is illegal to attempt suicide, but do such suicide laws really exist? If so, where and why? Obviously those who are successful in their attempts are beyond the reach of the law, and it seems awfully mean to add to the woes of those who have failed by bringing them up on charges. More seriously, wouldn't such a law discourage someone who had attempted suicide from seeking professional help? If such laws do exist, are they ever enforced? Do people go to jail for attempted suicide?

— t., via the Internet

Answer;

How can suicide be illegal, given that the perp can't be punished? Nonetheless it has been, and until quite recently in some places (Ireland repealed its law in 1993). This seems absurd, but as with many of our more curious laws, we only see it that way now thanks to evolving ideas of morality.

You can read more on it here:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2501/is-suicide-against-the-law



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22 Re: Debate Thread on Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:00 am

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"evolving ideas on morality"? What's to say our current ethical system is better or worse than previous ones? Or maybe I am being silly.

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23 Re: Debate Thread on Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:07 am

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Nobody expects the American Penal System! []

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24 Re: Debate Thread on Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:28 am

I don't see why it should be illegal to commit suicide. If a person honestly believes that death is the best option for them then they shouldn't be hated for it. The person that committed the "crime" is dead. Don't burden the survivors with having to deal with a fine or something.

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25 Re: Debate Thread on Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:55 pm

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If they're going to die, they'd better do it! and decrease the surplus population... []

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